At the Maya Meeting 2005, there was a lecture on the Popol Vuh Although I did not take many notes, I was intrigued by subject that the First Fathers had come from the East. It was written in the Popol Vuh as ch'aqa palow or "the other side of the sea." That location was from Tulan Zayua, Wuqub' Bakor they came from a place called by the Maya Wuqub' Siwan or Coyala. The Quiche call it Cohah, the "place of creation" or "water."

DennisTedllock called it Pauilix. or the place where dawn first came. All references state that this place is in the East, because it is perfectly obvious that the sun rises in the east.

Tulan is the place suggested. Tu = "Land" and Lan = "Blue," but that is a Chinese spelling. The Turks spell Tulu as the rising of the sun or a star. and another word: Tulun which is translated as the full moon.

The girl giving the lecture told a story about her encounter in México with an old man who had once been a volador. When he asked where she was from, she had answered "From across the sea." The man was very positive. He claimed she could not have come from across the sea because only the dead live there.

This leads us to a strange note in a Latin text.

When slaves of Tyre, revolted and took wives of their masters as their own and begot freemen. When it came time to chose a king, it was decided that he [the new king] would be the first to see the rising sun. One asked Strato for advice and while all looked East, he alone looked westwards spotting sun first on the loftiest pinnacle in town. Strato became king therefore. Justin, XVIII - III, p. 156

I knew about the quote above but was almost convinced that the lecture was correct, that all came from the East, until, the lecturer clarified the translation by the phrase: where the sun emerges. The implication was the sun we know so well, rises in the east, but the volador knew that people "from across the sea" came from the west, not the east.

Those "first-fathers" who came from "where the sun emerges" did not come from the east, they actually came from the west. According to Thomas More's Utopia, these people had been shipwrecked on the coast and the Chilam Balam states that they only ate by "smelling fruit."

However, it seems more likely that the survivors were so glad to be on land that they actually kissed stones, sticks and anything else that was near them on the life-giving solid earth. These men would have told the harrowing tale of other ships that did not make it to land. . . in other words, the men in the other boats died. Hence, the old man "knew" that only the dead live across the sea. And, in Mesoamerica, the Land of the Dead was the WEST.

The storm that brought these foreigners was a serious one. The Maoris of New Zealand tell the tale that their ship the Aotea, had to be tied together to withstand the force of the wind and the water. But their 80 families made it safely to shore by jettisoning everything and anything that had any weight. The preacher who recorded this information was positive the natives could not count and could never have had a boat large enough for 80 families or even 80 persons.

It is just as above, the only place from where "dawn" could have appeared, according to what we know today, is from the East. But, what really did the ancients know? Was there a great light from the West that could have given the impression that it was a rising sun?

In the Carolina Bays, there are great holes in the ground with the orientation: northwest to the southeast. Although it follows a strike pattern of a possible meteorite shower of some sort, there is no evidence of meteorites. The burned stones and glassy heat fused globules are not there. Further inland, closer to the Mississippi River, there are thousands of tektites, that are admittedly from such a fallout. But the coast has nothing except the holes, some of which are filled with water.

If such a fallout occurred, the "false" dawning (of the sun) would indeed have come from the west. Because of the quantity of stones that fell (evidenced by the Carolina Bays) when they fell into the Atlantic Ocean, they would have created a multiple tsunami of gigantic proportions. No evidence of any meteorites would have survived, except for the great holes in the ground. Could it have occurred? Most assuredly so.

As it was, the Chinese claim that a great black bird with red claws (a flaming meteorite ?) attempted to fill the eastern sea (Pacific Ocean) with pebbles. This would have also hve created a tsuname in the Pacific. If the meteorite had been large enough to track visually, it had to be a monster of fire, hence a "false" light similar to the "dawning" in the WEST.

But when is still the major question. I believe it can only be answered in the Mayalands where many of the stelae were dated, and survived the destruction of the Conquistadores. At this pointl, only time will tell.